Death wobble

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2007 wrangler unlimited 4 door 63,000 miles Death wobble tires inspected balanced aligned by 2 mechanics problem not gone new steering stabilizer no help took to Dodge dealership said it was the BF Goodrich tires. Dodge dealer did complete check and retightened every suspension but bolt etc supposedly done by their " expert" what a joke. Finally took to an independent jeep lift specialist and found bad track bar bad tie rod ends etc. getting new front end as in everything but control arms to fix it. Amazing how dealership expert can't figure it out. For those who experience Death Wobble I have learned that once it occurs it probably takes out your tie rod ends and needs a thorough checking over. Sad that an American product is so cheap. This jeep has never been off road except 15 miles of gravel. Frustrating that Jeep can't make or do something about this problem.
 

2007 wrangler unlimited 4 door 63,000 miles Death wobble tires inspected balanced aligned by 2 mechanics problem not gone new steering stabilizer no help took to Dodge dealership said it was the BF Goodrich tires. Dodge dealer did complete check and retightened every suspension but bolt etc supposedly done by their " expert" what a joke. Finally took to an independent jeep lift specialist and found bad track bar bad tie rod ends etc. getting new front end as in everything but control arms to fix it. Amazing how dealership expert can't figure it out. For those who experience Death Wobble I have learned that once it occurs it probably takes out your tie rod ends and needs a thorough checking over. Sad that an American product is so cheap. This jeep has never been off road except 15 miles of gravel. Frustrating that Jeep can't make or do something about this problem.

There is a thread on how the mfg is aware of it but no notification or recall. If it is replaced with a OEM trackbar expect it to happen again.
 
Does it have a lift, or is it completely stock?

My death wobble was caused by a number of things, but the overall problem was worn components. After replacing tie rods, trackbar, and ball joints things rode better, and I eventually went on to replace my front control arms (this is on my TJ with shorter arms).
 
Terry, most people don't look at, nor consider their upper and lower control arms when diagnosing DW. Along with the track bar these five links keep the front axle located at the correct angles and location under the jeep. With every bump your axle hits these 10 joints cycle up and down. Even with proper greasing they still wear. When we are trying to diagnose a DW, we need to include these simple jonny joints as a place to inspect. Lifting the jeep and supporting the frame, thus allowing the axle to hang free these joints should allow very little twist motion when checked.
 

Utah, I agree. I've found bad control arm bushings often aggravate the DW. I use a flashlight and screwdriver to push on them and inspect for tears in the bushings.
 
I attempted to change out the control arm bushings, and even took the arms off, but couldn't get the bushings out. I was amazed at how light and thin the arms were - probably more than enough for what they were doing, but the Savvy arms I replaced them with were monsters.
 
Getting all new components. What is frustrating and ridiculous is that the Dodge dealership I bought it from can't diagnose the problem correctly. They want to ignore it. Terrible service at dealership. Now that I have an independent jeep lift specialist on it all is good. Jeep needs to do something to improve and correct the problem like put in GOOD front end components from the start.
 

From what I've read all solid front axles have death wobble, or at least the potential for it (go to youtube and search for ford death wobble or dodge death wobble). I think the sure fire way for Jeep to stop this is to switch to independent front suspension, and do away with the solid front axle. That has it's own set of problems, and in probably isn't' the way to go for Jeep.
 
I think the sure fire way for Jeep to stop this is to switch to independent front suspension, and do away with the solid front axle.

Blasphemy!
I cant believe you said that Terry, those words are considered an hanging offense! People get a rope!

It would cause an uproar if I didnt take it out of content....lol
IFS and IRS has been tried on several U-Rok buggys in the years past with little to no success. With the extream angles and loads the indapendent arms just cant take the stress'es of rock crawling, that doesnt mean in the future that it will always be that way. We are now getting CV axles that can hold up to the stress of being twisted by V8. But until we see a radicul improvment in IFS design the solid axle is the way to go, with all its faults and design flaws.
 
I've been quoted out of context! I went on to say - "That has it's own set of problems, and in probably isn't' the way to go for Jeep".

What I had intended to say is that death wobble is a problem that all sold front axles have to some degree, and that if you want to make a new truck death wobble proof then you'd end up with something like IFS.
The question is, are the limits of IFS worth solving the death wobble problem? Probably not - all us offroaders would loose our minds.

 

From what I've read all solid front axles have death wobble, or at least the potential for it .
I've only seen it on one leaf spring rig (steering box loose on frame), but most are coil spring rigs that have dealt with it at one point or another.
 
:( :( OMG If jeep ever go,s IFS I will lose all repect and loyalty to the brand. Solid front axle is ONE reason why it's still the legend, IMHO. Even toyota owners look for toyota trucks from back in the early 80,s for their solid front axle to replace their current IFS. I wouldnt even whisper the words IFS in a jeep. lol
Death wobble is a pain though, I have delt with it a few times myself. It seems to really be a issue on tj,s with their coil suspension. Hopefully they will find a cure soon because I like the coil set ups, and would like one some day.
 
The last time I had my tires balanced I was talking to the tech behind the counter about death wobble and he had never heard the term! Went to school and now works at a tire and alignment shop, but has never heard the term death wobble?!?! He insisted that no such term has ever been mentioned in his education or employment.
 

really! And this from a tech at a tire shop? Are you sure you want to give them your business? Its a hot topic here in Arizona, all over the AZVJC board and a few TV clowns wanting to get some air time talking about it like they know something.
 
  • Trailrated, I found this on the net and it looks like our local news station knows about it.



What you need to know about the "Jeep Death Wobble"

Published July 10, 2012
FoxNews.com



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    2009 Jeep Wrangler (Jeep)


It’s a name tailor made for the headlines: The "Jeep Death Wobble."
Used to describe a severe vibration reported by owners of certain Jeep Wrangler models, two Democratic members of Congress have written a letter
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to Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne urging him to start a consumer outreach campaign informing customers of the issue and their repair options.
California Representatives Henry Waxman and Anna Eshoo took the action despite the fact that a National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA) probe earlier this year concluded that the condition “does not result in loss of control,” and did not lead to a recall or other action by the agency.
According to The Detroit News
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, out of 402 formal complaints regarding 2005-2010 model year Wranglers, NHTSA found that there were "two possible relevant crashes, one of which alleged nonfatal injuries." Jeep sold a total of 542,134 Wranglers during those model years.
The so-called “death wobble” is relatively common among vehicles that use a solid front axle, and the Wrangler is the only light truck currently on sale that falls into this category. The design is prized for its extreme off-road and heavy duty hauling capability. The wobble is a harmonic resonance resulting from a loose or worn part in the steering or suspension, such as a tie rod end, and usually set off by hitting a bump at a certain speed. It often goes away after the vehicle stops, but can return under similar circumstances. However, if not addressed, over time the vibration can cause damage to other components of the vehicle and exacerbate the issue. Many websites
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targeted at off-roaders have sections dedicated to fixing the issue on a variety of vehicles, which is often the result of installing aftermarket parts.
In a statement responding to the letter, Chrysler says of the condition that, “if experienced, it is routinely corrected with a change of tires or installation of a simple steering dampener.” The automaker has issued several Techincal Service Bulletins (TSB) related to the steering system of the Wranglers in question, but hasn’t said if they are a direct response to the alleged issue. TSBs are issued to dealer service departments to inform them of a known problem with a vehicle and instructions on how to deal with it, but are generally not made public.
Waxman and Eshoo wrote to Marchionne that “since these bulletins could be helpful to Jeep owners experiencing wobble, we ask you to make them fully available to customers, or explain in greater detail the justification for withholding this information.”
Mark Williams, editor of PickupTrucks.com
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thinks an educational campaign might be helpful to the general consumer, but that the information is already common sense for many of the type of truck enthusiasts attracted to Jeeps. “Owners who know what vehicle is designed for are already familiar with the issue,” he says. “This is kind of a duh moment for them.”










Read more: What you need to know about the "Jeep Death Wobble" | Fox News
 
really! And this from a tech at a tire shop? Are you sure you want to give them your business? Its a hot topic here in Arizona, all over the AZVJC board and a few TV clowns wanting to get some air time talking about it like they know something.

I never said I went back. I was already being serviced when I was talking to the guy.
 
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