A question of morals

Utah_jeepster · #1 (**permalink**) 01-09-2006, 10:31 PM

The newest movie out is Brokeback Mountain. A look at two Wyoming sheep ranchers who find themselves in love.

Well our local millionaire Larry H. Miller owner of the Utah Jazz and several business including 3 movie theaters (Megaplexs) has refused to show this movie.
Now I ask you all to sound off, is this right?
Does Larry Miller have the right not to show this movie?
When does a business owner have the right not to sell a service or product?

Here is the local blog from our Salt Lake Tribune

jay79cj7 · #2 (**permalink**) 01-09-2006, 11:01 PM

Whether his decision is right or wrong, I do not see why a business owner should not be able to decide what products he wants to sell or not, especially when dealing with such a non-essential product as this. Those that disagree with the view may do so and vote with their dollars by taking their business elsewhere.

TwistedCopper · #3 (**permalink**) 01-10-2006, 04:04 AM

If it is a privately owned business he can show whatever movie he wants, period.

Hats off to him for taking a stand!

JeepMonkey · #4 (**permalink**) 01-10-2006, 04:45 AM

I say it's up to the person selling the product if they want to include it or not. The same goes the other way too. If someone sells something or shows a movie you disagree with then you have the right to patronize somewhere else. Simple as that.

P.S. This should be an interesting thread by a few days from now. Let's see how crazy we can get with this one. :)

Sparky-Watts · #5 (**permalink**) 01-10-2006, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jay79cj7

Whether his decision is right or wrong, I do not see why a business owner should not be able to decide what products he wants to sell or not, especially when dealing with such a non-essential product as this. Those that disagree with the view may do so and vote with their dollars by taking their business elsewhere.

Agreed. The local NBC affilliate printed a story in the paper last week saying they weren't going to air the TV Series "Daniel", because it showed Christians in a poor light (it was about a minister who was "less than holy"). The viewers and businesses that support the station cried foul, and the advertisers swore to pull their ads from the station on the grounds of censorship, so the station decided to run the movie anyway. To me, that is the way it should work. Run what you want, but be prepared to deal with the consequences later.

(my bad, the show "Daniel" is a series, not a movie)

southtj · #6 (**permalink**) 01-10-2006, 06:56 AM

Looks like everyone agrees so far. The business has a right to sell what product he wants to. If he only wants to show Muppet movies that's his right but the market will dictate what keeps him in business.

judge09 · #7 (**permalink**) 01-10-2006, 07:07 AM

It seems to be the same situation that Walmart has. They choose to not sell certain products they dont agree with. I have no problem with a private business selling what ever they want to.

joedirt · #8 (**permalink**) 01-10-2006, 08:06 AM

Its his bussiness so he has the right to pick and choose what he wants to show.He'll have to deal with all of the public protest and cries.I know here if that was to happen the gay rights people would have a field day and I don't think it would be worth it in the long run.If he believes that strongly about it and stands his ground my hat goes off to him.

TerryMason · #9 (**permalink**) 01-10-2006, 08:38 AM

I can't believe the theaters don't show X rated movies....the nerve of some people.

90Xjay · #10 (**permalink**) 01-10-2006, 08:38 AM

I think if he does not want to show Bareback Mountain than he has that right.

dingus · #11 (**permalink**) 01-10-2006, 10:18 AM

i'd shake that guys' hand if i ever met him. that's awesome.

redneckgroundhog · #12 (**permalink**) 01-10-2006, 10:28 AM

He probably didn't want ta show the movie becaused it SUCKED.

LRwrnglr · #13 (**permalink**) 01-10-2006, 02:59 PM

I don't see why he wouldn't be able to. He should be able to make the decision on what to show at HIS theatre.

LR

mingez · #14 (**permalink**) 01-10-2006, 03:59 PM

He totally has a right to not show the movie.

Do I agree with his reasons why? No.

Sparky-Watts · #15 (**permalink**) 01-10-2006, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mingez

He totally has a right to not show the movie.

Do I agree with his reasons why? No.

There ya go. Someone has finally figured out that this isn't about his right to show or not show a movie, rather his reasoning behind it. I don't agree with his reasoning, either. What is the problem people have with shows, books, or movies about homosexuals? Sure, some will find that offensive and immoral, but so what, it's a part of life and has been since man has walked the earth (whether in high-heel moccasins or flats). There are a lot of other things on TV and in the movies that I find offensive and immoral, but I don't go around denying other peoples' rights to see them just because I don't like them. It's a trite statement, but rings so true, that if you don't like it, don't watch it. Period. Personally, I hope the guy loses his shirt and business over the deal (he's not the only one, mind you, there are hundreds of theaters across the nation refusing to show it). To me that reeks of homophobic paranoia. I find homosexuality disgusting, but I accept it as a part of life. Well, some homosexuality is disgusting....I have the occasional fantasy of Jennifer Love-Hewitt and Jessica Alba, but that's another story (for Penthouse Forum).

The bottom line is, yes, the theater owners have a right to show what they want, but their homophobic philosophy disgusts me more than homosexuality does.

redlightstalker · #16 (**permalink**) 01-10-2006, 06:44 PM

i dont care what anybody says,its a sin in my book.

Sparky-Watts · #17 (**permalink**) 01-10-2006, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by redlightstalker

i dont care what anybody says,its a sin in my book.

It's a sin in the Bible. So is murder. So is adultery. So is coveting thy neighbor's wife. So is dishonoring (or disobeying, depending on your translation) your parents. Thing is, it happens, and there ain't much I can do about it except not watch it if I don't want to. However, I don't feel that gays should be persecuted for it. Science has already proven beyond a doubt that homosexuality is not an acquired trait as some believe, rather a genetic "defect", for lack of a better word.

Who will be first to post a link to contradict that comment about science? We could post links all day long from both sides, but that is my belief from what I have read, and yes, I have read both sides of that argument. The "Gay by Choice" argument doesn't hold water, so let's not get into that debate again.

90Xjay · #18 (**permalink**) 01-10-2006, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparky-Watts

...... What is the problem people have with shows, books, or movies about homosexuals? Sure, some will find that offensive and immoral, but so what, it's a part of life and has been since man has walked the earth (whether in high-heel moccasins or flats). There are a lot of other things on TV and in the movies that I find offensive and immoral, but I don't go around denying other peoples' rights to see them just because I don't like them.....

.....The bottom line is, yes, the theater owners have a right to show what they want, but their homophobic philosophy disgusts me more than homosexuality does.

What if he just does not like promoting the "gay" lifestyle?
He is NOT denying anyone their "right" to see it. They can drive to another town, or wait till it comes out on DVD, right? Maybe hindering their right to see it a little, but with so many theaters showing it and so many modes of transportation, not denying anyone, anything.

And if he does not like it, why would it stand to reason that he would want to help promote it?

If I hated the food at a resturant, I would not tell all of my friends to go there!

Geeze, your really splittin hairs..

The same stinking people that scream out of one side of their mouth to leave their personal sex life alone and personal, and it's their business what they do in private, feel like they have to make books, tv shows and movies in attempts to normalize it and shove it down the publics throat (pun intended

)

I'm way past being sick of it.
I've said it before here and it bears repeating. The whole reason the gays have to promote the lifestyle is to recrute others into it. Because, their un-natural relationships cannot produce gay offspring, they have to keep the lifestyle going by sucking others into it.

90Xjay · #19 (**permalink**) 01-10-2006, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparky-Watts

...It's a sin in the Bible. So is murder. So is adultery. So is coveting thy neighbor's wife. So is dishonoring (or disobeying, depending on your translation) your parents...

Ok Bible scholar, how many cities did God destroy especially because they were all murderers? Adulters? Coverters? .....hmmm

Now, how many cities did He destroy because of sodomites?..
Does the city of Sodom ring a bell? Brimestone anyone?anyone?...Bueller?

Yes everything you listed above is sin, but God showed us His personal distaste for this particular sin so don't get mad at me, get mad at God.

yjdave · #20 (**permalink**) 01-10-2006, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TerryMason

I can't believe the theaters don't show X rated movies....the nerve of some people.

Amen brother...lol...Where's the nerest porn shop...Utah???probably not..lol