Hey Red Sox and Yankee fans!

mingez · #1 (**permalink**) 10-13-2003, 03:41 PM

So, I'm surprised I haven't seen any posts from you all about Pedro tossing Don Zimmer. I have an opinion, but want to hear from you guys first. I will say this, that was about the funniest thing I have seen in a while. I might start liking baseball after this one!

What do you all think? Was Pedro in the wrong, or did Don Zimmer get what he deserved?

BostonJeep · #2 (**permalink**) 10-13-2003, 03:43 PM

zimmer charged him ready to swing, pedro just pushed him out of the way. If pedro had have punched zimmer, then it would have been wrong. It was self defense.

Was in PA,NY, and CT this weekend and every newspaper had a different slant to it.

I say, if you don't wanna get tossed, dont charge the mound.

Deerhunter30 · #3 (**permalink**) 10-13-2003, 03:52 PM

I think Pedro could have handled it a different way, but cannot blame him for what he did. Now hitting batters and then gloating about it......that's another story. The bottom line is that Pedro was getting hit after all this and Manny was swinging at a pitch that was at least six inches outside the plate.

What about that episode in the outfield? I am still not sure exactly what happened. Either way the Boston organization needs to get control of their employees.

There is a lot of tension between these two teams and it will continue to be an intense series.

BostonJeep · #4 (**permalink**) 10-13-2003, 03:53 PM

episode in the outfield, do you mean what happened in the bull pen?

mingez · #5 (**permalink**) 10-13-2003, 04:32 PM

No, he's talking about the grounds keeper getting into it with a fan, I think.

I agree, Zimmer got what he deserved. And I got entertainment for the entire day. Replays of that guy getting launched was awesome.

ZBTstang · #6 (**permalink**) 10-13-2003, 05:07 PM

Unfortunatly most of this countries media comes out of New York, so most of the reports were biased towards the yankees. I am a red sox fan but I have looked objectively towards all the issues here:
1# Pedro was wrong for throwing at Garcia, he had no provoked reason too. This is why you dont see any memeber of the sox speaking in his defense, it was wrong. However I do feel that it has been part of the game. It does happen, its not the right thing to do, but it happens. Who is to say Pedro did not throw it away by accident, I feel that it was only one pitch, and the only one whos knows the answer to that is Pedro.
2# Manny overreacted to a pitch that came high and inside. Again I say he did overreact but after what had just happened I doubt many people can say they werent expecting the rocket to bean someone, and any pitch like that wouldve provoked a similar response, even though there really wasnt much place for it.
3# Don Zimmer was just a joke. Im really upset how the media handled it. Im in CT, and I recieve a paper from here, and one from NY. The NY paper screams about how a "psycho pedor attacked a 72 year old don zimmer and how bloomber wouldve busted pedro for it". Open your eyes. Watch any unbiased media (ESPN!!) watch the replay and you clearly see Don Zimmer rushing and swinging at Pedro when Pedro threw his ass to the ground. 72 year old fat bald guy or not im not ashamed to say if he was swinging at me, I wouldve done the same. If pedro wanted to fight this guy dont you think he wouldve given him a 95mph fist into his head?? And if Zimmer is the innocent one people think he is, why did MLB fine him?? (Again I believe that pedro and mannys fines are legit as well, I have no quams saying they were in the wrong).
4# IF you check the Boston Police reports what happened in the bullpen is this. A groundscrew memeber stationed in the bullpen was cherring for the sox, when unprovoked he was attacked by Garcia and another pitcher (lyons?? I forget). He had clet marks on his back for gods sake! And Boston authorites have charges pending. Now as in the zimmer case, if this groundscrew was the bad guy, why wasnt he arrested, why arnt there charges pending against him, and why would garcia have gotten fined? An espn replay even shows about 5 yanks pitchers standing around him stomping on him....even if it was a legit fight, when you make it 5 on 1, the 5 are just cowards.
Now as I see the sox actions not appropraite, I see them as being part of the game. At no time did anything that doesnt happen from time to time in baseball occur. All be it not right, I consider the sox actions a part of the game.
What the yankees did however was completely out of place and had no place being part of a baseball game. The red sox played rough baseball, the yankees flat out attacked people. If Bloomber wanted to arrest anyone, he should look at his own team first.

TwistedCopper · #7 (**permalink**) 10-13-2003, 09:41 PM

I'm a fan of the Sox, but not so much Pedro. Great pitcher, bad egg. He's a weasel. I can't blame him for tossing Zimmer, though. The guy (72 or not) asked for it and if he'd been 30 years younger, probably woulda got a lot more.

4wheelNeal · #8 (**permalink**) 10-13-2003, 10:48 PM

GO RED SOX!!!!!!!!!

Deerhunter30 · #9 (**permalink**) 10-14-2003, 09:07 AM

Great post ZBTstang.! Very honest and unbiased. If what you say about the bullpen episode is true, then I agree that the Yankee players involved were in the wrong. I do have a problem though with a groundskeeper that is an employee of the Boston club cheering while in the Yankees bullpen. They should be professional and unbiased while in the Yankees bullpen. The bullpen is part of the dugout and is considered Yankees territory. If all he was doing is cheering for Boston, that give the Yankees players no right to attack him. It should have been handled differently....like making a call to his supervisor and having him removed from their bullpen.

jps4jeep · #10 (**permalink**) 10-14-2003, 09:13 AM

It is a baseball game! What Pedro did was not called for, and what zimmer did was not called for, Manny was acting like a child, pitch was high and inside, settle down, No one was seriously hurt!

As for the Grounds keeper who got the **** beat out of him by Nelson and Garcia, I think They deserve some thing more than the slap on the wrist that have gotten. It was release today that charges will not be filed, at least while the series continues! The guy was in the hospital for two days! all cause he was rooting for the redsox while in the yankee's bull pen. I am sure he may have said something about the yankee players, egging them on, maybe yelling yankees suck? I really don't know, no one has said anything substantial about that yet, but no player(s) should beat a guy that bad! Like Stang said, he had cleat marks on hie chest, back, neck and face!