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    Turbogus' long slow Team Rush upgrade

    So, when I first got 'BB' she had an unmolested ignition system, this seems to be for the 1978 V8 motor, by the service manual.
    Turbogus' long slow Team Rush upgrade-original-engine-compartment-2.jpg

    In the process of detirmining a no start issue last year I got a Standard/Blue Streak cap and rotor and redid the abraded spark plug wires with a set of Accell wires that I had at the bottom of my tool box new in the box.


    After a full diagnosis of the ignition system I found that the issues I was having was due to a stuck intake valve on the motor.

    Since pulling the head and taking care of that issue I've been driving 'BB' without further issues (knock on wood) and I'm preparing to do the Team Rush upgrade to enhance the startup/drivability of 'BB' as I accumulate and modify I'll be posting pics and asking questions along the line. I began doing this (hijacking) on another members' thread and thought I'd get this thread going from start to finish.

    Lacking funds and time both, this will be a slow methodical upgrade and I should be getting the MSD 8414 cap, rotor and adapter by the middle of this week. I'm intending of posting pics of each step that even an idiot like me can follow for the sake of others that may be doing this project themselves.

    I'm already aware of the fine threads and posts by JeepHammer
    http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/ig...jeeps-1302352/
    and am using them as my guide, so this thread will be of my own experience as an other than expert mechanic is. Therefore I welcome comments, advice and experiences that anyone may put forward.

    Thanks and a lift of the lynch lid.

    Gus
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    Quick fixes are so named for how long they stay fixed.
    If you run out of gas, no matter which way you decide to push, the closest gas station will always be uphill and in the other direction. Corollary: The likelihood of running out increases when all of the nearby gas stations are closed.
    The parts shop that stocks part for Skylab II will not have parts for our year/model of Jeep.
    We cannot accurately judge the trajectory of a speeding critter (cat, dog, sasquatch).

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    Re: Turbogus' long slow Team Rush upgrade

    From one of JeepHammers fine threads;
    V-8 DISTRIBUTOR UPGRADES WILL NEED A DIFFERENT ALIGNMENT TAB FOR THE UPGRADED CAP!

    This is VERY easy to do, I usually use the side of a pop can, a razor knife or tin snips and needle nose pliers...
    These are graphics showing what the alignment tab looks like, were it goes on the distributor to keep the cap adapter in the correct location.
    The screw hole is in EVER Jeep/Motorcraft distributor, so there is no drilling or threading on the distributor,
    You simply cut/fold the tab and install it.






    I searched my local go-to wrecking yard to find an O.E. alignment tab, but it seems that they moved out the full sized Fords since last year and are now specializing on import cars.

    Last week someone dropped a "Wired" drink can outside of the office so after rinsing off I cut a blank out of the side to make that Locating Tab but it seemed so flimsy that I'm dubious it'll suffice. Maybe a soup can??? Has anyone else tried this?...

    Luckily my wife and I go through a few cans of soup during the week but if that other cap will do I'll go for it.
    Quick fixes are so named for how long they stay fixed.
    If you run out of gas, no matter which way you decide to push, the closest gas station will always be uphill and in the other direction. Corollary: The likelihood of running out increases when all of the nearby gas stations are closed.
    The parts shop that stocks part for Skylab II will not have parts for our year/model of Jeep.
    We cannot accurately judge the trajectory of a speeding critter (cat, dog, sasquatch).

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    Re: Turbogus' long slow Team Rush upgrade

    I come to find on another site that a metal cable clamp might suffice. Now why didn't I think of that?
    Quick fixes are so named for how long they stay fixed.
    If you run out of gas, no matter which way you decide to push, the closest gas station will always be uphill and in the other direction. Corollary: The likelihood of running out increases when all of the nearby gas stations are closed.
    The parts shop that stocks part for Skylab II will not have parts for our year/model of Jeep.
    We cannot accurately judge the trajectory of a speeding critter (cat, dog, sasquatch).

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    Re: Turbogus' long slow Team Rush upgrade

    Thanks a lot Terry, Last night despite dealing with the crud since two days ago I popped the hood and pulled the distributor cap and like JH's photo above I found the Alignment Notch but where that Alignment Tab goes I couldn't feel a screw hole but there was another notch about an inch away from the Alignment Notch as what may be in that photo.


    This one is mine
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    If I feel up to it I'll break out my signal mirror left over from my Marine days and see if I can spot that dang hole in those close quarters.
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    Quick fixes are so named for how long they stay fixed.
    If you run out of gas, no matter which way you decide to push, the closest gas station will always be uphill and in the other direction. Corollary: The likelihood of running out increases when all of the nearby gas stations are closed.
    The parts shop that stocks part for Skylab II will not have parts for our year/model of Jeep.
    We cannot accurately judge the trajectory of a speeding critter (cat, dog, sasquatch).

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    Re: Turbogus' long slow Team Rush upgrade

    There doesn't seem to be as much activity on this site as there once was when I joined, where did everyone go?
    Quick fixes are so named for how long they stay fixed.
    If you run out of gas, no matter which way you decide to push, the closest gas station will always be uphill and in the other direction. Corollary: The likelihood of running out increases when all of the nearby gas stations are closed.
    The parts shop that stocks part for Skylab II will not have parts for our year/model of Jeep.
    We cannot accurately judge the trajectory of a speeding critter (cat, dog, sasquatch).

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    Re: Turbogus' long slow Team Rush upgrade

    Well the Cap, Adapter and Rotor earlier than I thought, I quickly fabbed up that pop can retainer clip but I think I'm going to hunt for something more substantial.

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    Quick fixes are so named for how long they stay fixed.
    If you run out of gas, no matter which way you decide to push, the closest gas station will always be uphill and in the other direction. Corollary: The likelihood of running out increases when all of the nearby gas stations are closed.
    The parts shop that stocks part for Skylab II will not have parts for our year/model of Jeep.
    We cannot accurately judge the trajectory of a speeding critter (cat, dog, sasquatch).

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    Re: Turbogus' long slow Team Rush upgrade

    After four local shops I finally found a metal cable clamp that I can modify that'll fit the groove of the Distributor. After all that I was surprised to find that cable clamps aren't as common as I thought.
    Quick fixes are so named for how long they stay fixed.
    If you run out of gas, no matter which way you decide to push, the closest gas station will always be uphill and in the other direction. Corollary: The likelihood of running out increases when all of the nearby gas stations are closed.
    The parts shop that stocks part for Skylab II will not have parts for our year/model of Jeep.
    We cannot accurately judge the trajectory of a speeding critter (cat, dog, sasquatch).

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    Re: Turbogus' long slow Team Rush upgrade

    Quote Originally Posted by Turbogus View Post
    There doesn't seem to be as much activity on this site as there once was when I joined, where did everyone go?
    Not sure.


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    Re: Turbogus' long slow Team Rush upgrade

    Finally I went to home Depot and found a pkg of 3/8 cable clamps, of course I had to find them myself because the hired hands were too busy kibbutzing to help me find 'em. A couple of minutes on the bench girnder and I have clearance for the cap notch. I've just got to deburr the dingus and bend it to spec. :)

    Turbogus' long slow Team Rush upgrade-wp_20180413_06_33_21_pro.jpg

    Turbogus' long slow Team Rush upgrade-wp_20180413_06_33_38_pro.jpg

    NOW I've just have to find a set screw and star washer to hold it in, does anyone know the thread and pitch?
    Quick fixes are so named for how long they stay fixed.
    If you run out of gas, no matter which way you decide to push, the closest gas station will always be uphill and in the other direction. Corollary: The likelihood of running out increases when all of the nearby gas stations are closed.
    The parts shop that stocks part for Skylab II will not have parts for our year/model of Jeep.
    We cannot accurately judge the trajectory of a speeding critter (cat, dog, sasquatch).

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    Re: Turbogus' long slow Team Rush upgrade

    yesterday during my short break I got out the Adapter and noticed that it fits very snugly, good news that as I've heard from some that theirs wobbles.

    Turbogus' long slow Team Rush upgrade-p1060918.jpg

    Out of a bag of screws I found the one that, with the help of some CRC Lectra-Motive and cutting fluid it threaded right in. I went to drill a hole for the set screw (10/24) into the pop can Alignment Tab but I jumped up sizes too quickly and destroyed it. I still have the one I'm grinding down from a cable clamp and taking my Micrometer I measured the Alignment Notch and the notch in the Adapter so I can get that tab as close as possible.

    Edit: It's a good thing I went into this at the time, it turns out the Coolant Bypass hose clamp was slipping off
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    Quick fixes are so named for how long they stay fixed.
    If you run out of gas, no matter which way you decide to push, the closest gas station will always be uphill and in the other direction. Corollary: The likelihood of running out increases when all of the nearby gas stations are closed.
    The parts shop that stocks part for Skylab II will not have parts for our year/model of Jeep.
    We cannot accurately judge the trajectory of a speeding critter (cat, dog, sasquatch).

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    Re: Turbogus' long slow Team Rush upgrade

    With my calipers I measured the following;
    Distriutor Notch width .364"
    Adapter Notch width .364" X .210" height

    ...and with the Adaprter mounted the gap measured about .0125"
    Quick fixes are so named for how long they stay fixed.
    If you run out of gas, no matter which way you decide to push, the closest gas station will always be uphill and in the other direction. Corollary: The likelihood of running out increases when all of the nearby gas stations are closed.
    The parts shop that stocks part for Skylab II will not have parts for our year/model of Jeep.
    We cannot accurately judge the trajectory of a speeding critter (cat, dog, sasquatch).

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    Re: Turbogus' long slow Team Rush upgrade

    It may not be pretty but with my fumbling fingers, this is what I came up with;

    Turbogus' long slow Team Rush upgrade-p1060921.jpg

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    If I'm not burnt out from work I may try this dingus tonight.
    Quick fixes are so named for how long they stay fixed.
    If you run out of gas, no matter which way you decide to push, the closest gas station will always be uphill and in the other direction. Corollary: The likelihood of running out increases when all of the nearby gas stations are closed.
    The parts shop that stocks part for Skylab II will not have parts for our year/model of Jeep.
    We cannot accurately judge the trajectory of a speeding critter (cat, dog, sasquatch).

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    Re: Turbogus' long slow Team Rush upgrade

    I test fit the dingus and those measurements translated well;

    Turbogus' long slow Team Rush upgrade-p1060924.jpg

    Turbogus' long slow Team Rush upgrade-p1060928.jpg

    It fit so well, I installed the Adapter and it seems I'm on my way. :)
    Quick fixes are so named for how long they stay fixed.
    If you run out of gas, no matter which way you decide to push, the closest gas station will always be uphill and in the other direction. Corollary: The likelihood of running out increases when all of the nearby gas stations are closed.
    The parts shop that stocks part for Skylab II will not have parts for our year/model of Jeep.
    We cannot accurately judge the trajectory of a speeding critter (cat, dog, sasquatch).

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    Re: Turbogus' long slow Team Rush upgrade

    I found it kind of odd that while all of the wire terminals in that MSD Cap are brass the coil connector appears to be bi-metal aluminum.
    Perhaps a change of design by MSD?
    Quick fixes are so named for how long they stay fixed.
    If you run out of gas, no matter which way you decide to push, the closest gas station will always be uphill and in the other direction. Corollary: The likelihood of running out increases when all of the nearby gas stations are closed.
    The parts shop that stocks part for Skylab II will not have parts for our year/model of Jeep.
    We cannot accurately judge the trajectory of a speeding critter (cat, dog, sasquatch).

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    Re: Turbogus' long slow Team Rush upgrade

    Holy Schneiglies! It's been a while since I price spark plug wires, MSD from $106?!?

    I found a set on EBay for $68, down from Impossible to Improbable, I guess.
    Quick fixes are so named for how long they stay fixed.
    If you run out of gas, no matter which way you decide to push, the closest gas station will always be uphill and in the other direction. Corollary: The likelihood of running out increases when all of the nearby gas stations are closed.
    The parts shop that stocks part for Skylab II will not have parts for our year/model of Jeep.
    We cannot accurately judge the trajectory of a speeding critter (cat, dog, sasquatch).

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    Re: Turbogus' long slow Team Rush upgrade

    Well it looks as though this long upgrade will be even longer. I hurt my back at work again on Friday so I'm moving very slow. The wires are due this friday, I hope I'm better by then.
    Quick fixes are so named for how long they stay fixed.
    If you run out of gas, no matter which way you decide to push, the closest gas station will always be uphill and in the other direction. Corollary: The likelihood of running out increases when all of the nearby gas stations are closed.
    The parts shop that stocks part for Skylab II will not have parts for our year/model of Jeep.
    We cannot accurately judge the trajectory of a speeding critter (cat, dog, sasquatch).

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    Re: Turbogus' long slow Team Rush upgrade

    Looks like those wires are getting here soon, and thank Heavens my back is doing better.
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    Quick fixes are so named for how long they stay fixed.
    If you run out of gas, no matter which way you decide to push, the closest gas station will always be uphill and in the other direction. Corollary: The likelihood of running out increases when all of the nearby gas stations are closed.
    The parts shop that stocks part for Skylab II will not have parts for our year/model of Jeep.
    We cannot accurately judge the trajectory of a speeding critter (cat, dog, sasquatch).

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    Re: Turbogus' long slow Team Rush upgrade

    How bad did you hurt yourself? Are you totally laid up?

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    Re: Turbogus' long slow Team Rush upgrade

    Dang wrong pic, again!

    I gotta tell you Terry, this had me knocked down a few times on the 23rd, had to lay flat on my back behind the counter. Then I'd be good again for about 20 minutes then down again I went. Finally made it in to the Doc got some Flexorell and Aleve but that didn't do a thing. Luckily the back stretch exercises after three days and I'm on my way back. This was only a muscle injury, but it sure got my attention!
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    Quick fixes are so named for how long they stay fixed.
    If you run out of gas, no matter which way you decide to push, the closest gas station will always be uphill and in the other direction. Corollary: The likelihood of running out increases when all of the nearby gas stations are closed.
    The parts shop that stocks part for Skylab II will not have parts for our year/model of Jeep.
    We cannot accurately judge the trajectory of a speeding critter (cat, dog, sasquatch).

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