Wrangler with a diesel
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88Wrangles
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Diesels weigh a lot more than gasoline burning engines. On trails they really suck...
unless it's in a fullsize with around 2,000 lb/ft of torque...then you can go just about anywhere.
unless it's in a fullsize with around 2,000 lb/ft of torque...then you can go just about anywhere.
jaymz77
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bluejeep said:
I hear you there! how about the CRD from the Liberty? How hard would it be for Jeep to make that an option for the Wrangler. Hell, they put the cummins in that Jeep Rescue prototype they made! Even better how about a 5.9L Cummins stock in the Rubicon. I can dream all day long.
88Wrangles
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TwistedCopper said:
If you've ever taken a diesel rig off-road...you'd know what I mean. The other problem is they don't rev very high at all.
The only way it would be beneficial in a Jeep is to use a TINY deisel motor and build the s*** out of it so it would have a lot of torque AND horsepower.
Roundlights
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http://portland.craigslist.org/car/153896287.html
Copy and paste that link, its a 97 TJ with a 3.2 cummins!!
Copy and paste that link, its a 97 TJ with a 3.2 cummins!!
redrooster
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I don't know about fullsize rigs and diesels going "anywhere." My '05 6.0 liter Powerstroke will get stuck in its own shadow even though it has the "FX4 Off Road Package."
The two problems I have with diesels off road are the weight and the fact that they don't spin up as quick as a gas burner. Once that turbo kicks in though, hang on to your u-joints.
The two problems I have with diesels off road are the weight and the fact that they don't spin up as quick as a gas burner. Once that turbo kicks in though, hang on to your u-joints.
88Wrangles
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redrooster said:
If that's in repsonse to what I said...read the rest of what I said as well.
88Wrangles
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Ya, my point was that if you have enough torque then a diesel will go anywhere. The problem is they won't come from the factory with that kind of power...so heavy modifications would be necessary to make it a descent trail rig.
redrooster
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I see your point, but having an engine that makes that much torque would require even more weight in the drivetrain and chassis. It would effectively be more like a log skidder than a Jeep.
The way things are going in the tuner performance market, we may not be that far away from seeing a 4 cylinder diesel that has a good power to weight ratio and will spin up like a gas burner. An example might be the turbo diesel Jetta engine.
The way things are going in the tuner performance market, we may not be that far away from seeing a 4 cylinder diesel that has a good power to weight ratio and will spin up like a gas burner. An example might be the turbo diesel Jetta engine.
jaymz77
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redrooster said:
The VW TDI Jetta engine is a bawlsy little powerplant. It is pretty high maintenance though and what it makes up for in torque(247#) it losses in HP(just over 100?). Sure getting 50 MPG on the trail would be nice but not a neccesity. I would still push for the Cummins 4BT (3.9L 4cyl) and "build the s*** out of it," so it has light weight components, i.e. carbonfiber oil pan and mounts etc., and high power out put.
It seems to me we are talking about OLD generation diesels: to look at something more modern here is the link to get VM MOTORI, the Italian manufacturer of 2.8 & 3.0 diesel engines installed on Jeep Liberty (Cherokee in Europe), Grand Cherokee and, I HOPE SO MUCH, 2007 Wrangler 2 and 4-door. All the info everyone needs to know:
http://www.vmmotori.it/en/01/00/01/index.jsp
http://www.vmmotori.it/en/01/00/01/index.jsp
jaymz77
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ValTicinO said:
Wow, look at this one!
http://www.vmmotori.it/en/01/00/01/dettaglio.jsp?id=9
Weight is only 530 lbs.
247 HP @ 4000RPM
369 #ft. @ 1800RPM
Impressive!!!
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