PC crap again

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Nice... wonder whose upset this time?

Holiday Trees Removed From Sea-Tac

All Holiday trees at Sea-Tac Airport were removed this morning after several community member complaints. They say the trees don't represent all cultures and religions...The trees will not go up again...the airport policy on decorations will be reviewed after the holidays.



http://www.kiro710.com/Article.asp?id=168764&spid=7564
 
Some people need to lighten up, and many others need to grow spines. I'm so sick of people trying to strip our culture of any type of religion because it is not universal.

The same lot of whackos that scream for multi-culturalism are trying to eliminate it.

So much for diversity, eh?

I don't know which is worse... the ones whining for this sort of thing or the spineless jellyfish that patronize it :(
 

Its human nature to try and disarm another in a certin manner. Or to try and shoot something down that they wish they had but are jealous because they can't have it. Stupid ignorant, lazy people who complain because they can't have their way at their own home. If you ask me, if you don't like it then shut up keep your opinion to yourself and go home. If I don't like something being said i'll sometimes put my 2 cents in if I can back up what I say or i'll turn about and walk away. People need to grow up!!! YAR
 
If I don't like something being said i'll sometimes put my 2 cents in if I can back up what I say or i'll turn about and walk away

I don't have any problem with people speaking their minds but on this stuff the whiney minority cries foul about unfairness then ruins it for the majority.
 
Last year, the City of Wichita got into a battle with the PC crowd over their Christmas tree in front of Century II Arena. So, they changed the name of it to a "Community Tree". The Christians were outraged and waged a war of words and petitions against the city. Unbelievably, the city reversed it's position, and it is now called a Christmas Tree again!!
 
WTF its a tree i mean damn if you dont like it ignore it but dont **** on everybody during the holidays .... some people are way to anal
 


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Wait, would someone explain to me what "PC" means...I think I missed that.
I'm not christian but I don't rule it out either but im not in an uproar over a damn tree...Its a tree, suck it up.
 
Wait, would someone explain to me what "PC" means...I think I missed that.
I'm not christian but I don't rule it out either but im not in an uproar over a damn tree...Its a tree, suck it up.
What is "PC"?!?!?!?!

Have you been living in a bubble? It is when the traditions, actions, or rights of the many are hindered by the possibility of offending someone... you know...

Political correctness.

As for your tree comment, it's not just a tree to a country where it has been a tradition since before we were even an independant nation. I refuse to accept this PC type nonsense and to "suck it up" just ain't an option. We don't live in a socialist or communist state.

(See "Austrailia" thread)
 
As for your tree comment, it's not just a tree to a country where it has been a tradition since before we were even an independant nation. I refuse to accept this PC type nonsense and to "suck it up" just ain't an option. We don't live in a socialist or communist state.

(See "Austrailia" thread)

Though stricly speaking, to put up a Christmas tree in the Puritan colonies was a criminal offense.

This is not like some other PC arguments which interfere with private behavior. it's more about whether the government should be doing religious stuff, or it should be left, where it belongs, to the religions and the individuals.
 
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it's more about whether the government should be doing religious stuff, or it should be left, where it belongs, to the religions and the individuals.
Really? Where it belongs?

In God we trust - our money

So help me God - An oath in our courts of law

One Nation Under God
- Our pledge of allegiance

In the year of the Lord - on a little document called the US Constitution
 

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Really? Where it belongs?

In God we trust - our money


So help me God - An oath in our courts of law

One Nation Under God
- Our pledge of allegiance

In the year of the Lord - on a little document called the US Constitution

Interesting that 'in the year of our Lord' is the ONLY reachingly remote reference to anything that could be considered relgious, though using a common terminology of the day when referring to dates (just as we still use terms like January (Janus) or Wednesday (Woden). If religion were to be a part of the government, wouldn't the Constitution explicitly say so (it defines everything else that was part of the government). Go through the Federalist papers, read the arguments that passed back and forth among the founders during that time period. They covered a lot of this ground 200+ years ago.

Nowhere in the Constitution is any official status granted to any religion (the 1A prohibits Congress from getting involved in religion). Also prohibited were any religious tests of office holding or oaths.

Interestingly, money originally did NOT have 'in God we Trust' but stated 'e pluribus unum' both the money and the pledge (which was not an official document anyway) were altered in the 50s to include the God referrence.

Not everything Congress does is particularly wise.

But enough of this. I really am not here to argue politics, but to learn about shared interests, and have no interest in trying to change your opinion.
 
in getting back to the tree thing....



The Christmas Tree’s origins

In Human history we cant exactly say when early humans stated celebrating winter Solstice. But the practice has been associated with the first practices of agriculture which have been estimated as far back as 10,000-8000 B.C. Since the farmer needed to know when to plant he needed to know the exact day of the winter solstice.

Neolithic peoples were the first farmers. Their lives were intimately tied to the seasons and the cycle of harvest. I'm certain they were attuned to the turning skies.
Another source states that the practice of agriculture first began around 8000 BC in the Fertile Crescent of Mesopotamia (part of present day Iraq, Turkey, Syria and Jordan which was then greener). This region was home to the greatest diversity of annual plants and according to one study 32 of the 56 largest grass seeds.
The Egyptians were part of a long line of cultures that treasured and worshipped evergreens. When the winter solstice arrived, they brought green date palm leaves into their homes to symbolize life's triumph over death.
The Romans celebrated the winter solstice with a fest called Saturnalia in honor of Saturnus, the god of agriculture. They decorated their houses with greens and lights and exchanged gifts. They gave coins for prosperity, pastries for happiness, and lamps to light one's journey through life.
Centuries ago in Great Britain, woods priests called Druids used evergreens during mysterious winter solstice rituals. The Druids used holly and mistletoe as symbols of eternal life, and place evergreen branches over doors to keep away evil spirits.
Late in the Middle Ages, Germans and Scandinavians placed evergreen trees inside their homes or just outside their doors to show their hope in the forthcoming spring. Our modern Christmas tree evolved from these early traditions.
Legend has it that Martin Luther began the tradition of decorating trees to celebrate Christmas. One crisp Christmas Eve, about the year 1500, The Christmas tree tradition most likely came to the United States with Hessian troops during the American Revolution, or with German immigrants to Pennsylvania and Ohio, adds Robson.
But the custom spread slowly. The Puritans banned Christmas in New England. Even as late as 1851, a Cleveland minister nearly lost his job because he allowed a tree in his church. Schools in Boston stayed open on Christmas Day through 1870, and sometimes expelled students who stayed home.
The Christmas tree market was born in 1851 when Catskill farmer Mark Carr hauled two ox sleds of evergreens into New York City and sold them all. By 1900, one in five American families had a Christmas tree, and 20 years later, the custom was nearly universal.

So now that we have a good grasp of where it came from how can we complain that it’s a Christian thing? Come on people its a seasonal thing at best...get over your dislikes and enjoy the holidays...
 

Interesting that 'in the year of our Lord' is the ONLY reachingly remote reference to anything that could be considered relgious, though using a common terminology of the day when referring to dates (just as we still use terms like January (Janus) or Wednesday (Woden). If religion were to be a part of the government, wouldn't the Constitution explicitly say so (it defines everything else that was part of the government). Go through the Federalist papers, read the arguments that passed back and forth among the founders during that time period. They covered a lot of this ground 200+ years ago.

Nowhere in the Constitution is any official status granted to any religion (the 1A prohibits Congress from getting involved in religion). Also prohibited were any religious tests of office holding or oaths.

Interestingly, money originally did NOT have 'in God we Trust' but stated 'e pluribus unum' both the money and the pledge (which was not an official document anyway) were altered in the 50s to include the God referrence.

Not everything Congress does is particularly wise.

But enough of this. I really am not here to argue politics, but to learn about shared interests, and have no interest in trying to change your opinion.

I never said religion is, or should be a part of government. What I was demonstrating is how the government recognizes religion as part of our culture. It's the same with putting a Christmas tree on federal or state property...

It's not hammering a religion or mandating a belief, it is merely a reflection of culture in society.

Although many of our forefathers strongly believed Christianity to be the backbone of our society and the main hope of continuing success and longevity, they also knew the value of keeping the government and the church seperate from one another. I agree with that, but probably not for the same reasons as you.

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There's a huge difference between putting a religiously symbolic tree in town square and mandating religion.

What in the blazes is it about Christmas that freaks all the liberals out anyway?!?!?!??!
 
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