Random babblings - just because I'm an American and I can.

firemanharry

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The right to bear arms. Make owning guns a crime and only criminals will own them. Guns don't kill people....people kill people. So you make MORE laws against owning them instead of stiffer penalties on abusing them. If you ask me it all boils down to punishment - if someone uses a gun for armed robbery or murder they should get "the chair". You start stringing up a few criminals for the crimes they commit and people will think twice about committing violent crimes. The problem is that it's not the "politicaly correct" thing to do and all the bleeding hearts in this country would never allow it to happen. The criminals go free or avoid the death penalty and the only people benefitting from it are the lawyers defending them. Tax money being spent on prosecution and keeping these dirtbags fed, housed, and schooled could surely be spent better elsewhere.

Along the same lines is a middle eastern dictator that constantly thumbed his nose at and defied the greatest nation in the world. Okay, maybe they haven't found any WMD at this time but I, for one, beleive that there was something there or ready to be made there. Saddam committed atrocious crimes against his own people - mass graves, people being disfigured and butchered, whole families rotting in jail because someones Dad spoke out against the tyranny. How long should we, or anybody have let this continue? Sure, we'd all be happy sitting in our own little world, just worrying about ourselves but would THAT be right? I agree that we're into something that NOBODY ever bargained for, but the fact is that it's something that NEEDED to be done, that it's something we couldn't remain ignorant to any longer. I pray, as I'm sure that all of you do, that it will be over soon and our men and women will return home. If you don't punish the criminal then there is no deterrent for others to repeat the crimes.

The attack on the World Trade Centers had been on Osama Bin Laden's agenda since he failed to bring the buildings down with the first attack in 93(?). September 11th 2001 occured just 9 months into W's term. What was done to prevent this attack during the 8 years in between? Alot of fingers have been pointed at George W. Bush for the attack occuring but can the blame really sit on any one person or party? Maybe it's our fault for living the way we do. We can sit here and debate back and forth about any topic we want, do ANYTHING we set our minds out to do, and become ANYTHING we want to become, including a chance to be President of this great country. It makes people plain out jealous and angry that we have these rights and opportunities.

After the attack on Sepember 11th the patriotism in this country went totally through the roof. Everyone came together for a common cause. It seemed like people were a little more polite and caring for awhile. Now it seems that alot of folks have fallen back into the same old slump. People complain about being inconvenienced at the airport or having to provide extra identification for entry into certain buildings. These people have all but forgotten why this is happening. I was in NY at the landfill while they were sifting through car wreckage and building debris. I stood and watched as the dogs and people endlessly combed the field, firemen taking shifts cutting up cars and removing body parts and putting them in buckets to be identified. The sights and smells will forever be burned into my memory. Please remember.
 

The chair costs too much. I'm for public hangings. You can re-use a rope and when you watch some sick murderous bastard's neck stretch it will make anybody think twice.

As for Saddam Hussein, I too agree that it was correct to invade Iraq. I believe so because he did not comply with the demands of the UN. That said, it doesn't matter if he had WMD's or not, he could have. We would never know for sure if we hadn't gone in, because he made a mockery of the UN and the inspections.

Removing him for his atrocities seems noble, but truth is that stuff happens all over the world. We can't police the planet, although I fear we will continue to try. It's good that he's gone, but that alone doesn't justify (constitutionally speaking) going in. I believe enforcing the agreements in place were more than justification.

So true about the patriotism. There was a real sense of pride that has already seemed to fade. I firmly believe a big part of that is the media tearing us apart, and deciding to take all the footage off the airwaves was downright socialist.

I do remember that day and the smoke from the pentagon. I always will.


The other Harry
 
TwistedCopper said:
The chair costs too much. I'm for public hangings. You can re-use a rope and when you watch some sick murderous bastard's neck stretch it will make anybody think twice.

As for Saddam Hussein, I too agree that it was correct to invade Iraq. I believe so because he did not comply with the demands of the UN. That said, it doesn't matter if he had WMD's or not, he could have. We would never know for sure if we hadn't gone in, because he made a mockery of the UN and the inspections.

Removing him for his atrocities seems noble, but truth is that stuff happens all over the world. We can't police the planet, although I fear we will continue to try. It's good that he's gone, but that alone doesn't justify (constitutionally speaking) going in. I believe enforcing the agreements in place were more than justification.

So true about the patriotism. There was a real sense of pride that has already seemed to fade. I firmly believe a big part of that is the media tearing us apart, and deciding to take all the footage off the airwaves was downright socialist.

I do remember that day and the smoke from the pentagon. I always will.


The other Harry

GASP! :shock:
 

I definatlly agree with the rope theory.... maybe stonings by the victims family. Drawn and quartered?
Too much of the taxpayers dollars are spent to house criminals.....CAPITOL PUNISHMENT ALL THE WAY!
If you intentionally kill someone...you should die...plain and simple...and within 30 days or LESS...not in 4-6 or 10-20 years!

I have always thought that if everyone was allowed to carry guns then the a**hole who wanted to walk into McDonalds to rob it would think twice about it.

OK...I'm through....for now
 
The chair costs too much. I'm for public hangings. You can re-use a rope and when you watch some sick murderous bastard's neck stretch it will make anybody think twice.

Nah, do it Chinese style. Bullet to the back of the head and charge the criminal's family for the bullet. Now that is cost effective people. Save the rope for pullin' jeeps from the mud.
 
How do you feel about that (besides shocked that I said it)? Spreading our financial interests and policing everyone throughout the world leaves this country very venerable. That kind of stuff has brought down almost every great empire throughout history and we will not be an exception. Seems like the only thing that we have learned from history is that we have not learned from history.
 
Removing him for his atrocities seems noble, but truth is that stuff happens all over the world. We can't police the planet, although I fear we will continue to try. It's good that he's gone, but that alone doesn't justify (constitutionally speaking) going in. I believe enforcing the agreements in place were more than justification.


I agree totally. :shock:

While we fight everyone elses wars and try to repair thier countries our own is going down in shambles. We shoud look to our american people more and the concentrate on the battles we are losing with our own children, elderly, sick, and poor.

By the way I haven't forgotten either.

Lady
 

Would you do anything to interfere if you knew your neighbor was beating on his wife and kids? What would you do if you had a pretty good idea that when he was done with them he was coming to your house to start on you and your family? I'd get involved....maybe I'd be better off minding my own business but it's the way I am. 8)
 
I say they take the people who abuse guns and put them in open barred cells. Rent paintball guns to tourists and let them shoot the criminals. Let them see what it feels like to be a target.
 
TwistedCopper said:
How do you feel about that (besides shocked that I said it)? Spreading our financial interests and policing everyone throughout the world leaves this country very venerable. That kind of stuff has brought down almost every great empire throughout history and we will not be an exception. Seems like the only thing that we have learned from history is that we have not learned from history.

I'm assuming you meant vulnerable not venerable.

I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE. This is traditionally a leftest stance, and proves to me, without a doubt, that you think your positions through very intelligently and partisan free. Kudos Harry.

Every empire from the Romans, to the Mongolians, Japan to Greece, spread themselves too thin and ignored domestic affairs. True true true.
 

OK, totally off topic (but this IS a random babbling thread, is it not?), Mrs. mud posed a question to me on our recent trip and I could not come up with an answer. Perhaps the Jeepzers know this one. The question:

When do lambs become sheep?

I joked that it had something to do with puberty and farm boys, but she didn't buy that (after much laughter). Any thoughts?
 
Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

First of all, you're funny.

As for the question:
Well, I can tell you that cooks consider it Lamb meat if it comes from a Sheep 1 year old or less. It's the "veal" of sheep. So I guess the answer is: at 1 year old.

But in a much more ethereal sense, a sheep is a blind follower, and a lamb is a devoted servant. :wink: So, did I get the drift of your post? Or was it much more innocent than that?
 
So, did I get the drift of your post? Or was it much more innocent than that?

You hit it square on the head! Mrs. Mud was happy with both answers. No sir, Mingez, can't pull the wool over your eyes! (Sorry, I couldn't resist)
 

firemanharry said:
Would you do anything to interfere if you knew your neighbor was beating on his wife and kids? What would you do if you had a pretty good idea that when he was done with them he was coming to your house to start on you and your family? I'd get involved....maybe I'd be better off minding my own business but it's the way I am. 8)

Well Harry I see you're point, but there is a difference between intervening with a crime that is under our law and intervening with a nation who has their own standards and traditions (good or bad). I too would get involved for something like what you described. Minding your own business is good at times, but not for something like that.

Some of these nations have been around since the beginning of written history - some longer. Who are we to make rules for them? If there was a extremist muslim nation that was in our position of power, they would deem our nation as sin-filled. We would be considered an unclean, un-holy nation that needed to be cleansed and converted to Islam. They would consider themselves to be justified in this thinking because it is what they view as how things should be.

I agree that we should try to influence foreign governments from some of the horrible things they do to their own people, but we really have no right to overthrow their government. This is what the real purpose of the UN should be, to setup world-wide boycotts against these types of governments. To collectively act with military action if and when needed. Collective actions like that would help ensure that military action would not be for an independant nation's gain and also that the burdon would not leave any one nation vunerable (note proper spelling this time).

In Iraq, this was supposed to be the case, but the UN rolled over. We did not, and I am in full support for our action there.

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mingez said:
I'm assuming you meant vulnerable not venerable.

got me :wink:

mingez said:
I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE. This is traditionally a leftest stance, and proves to me, without a doubt, that you think your positions through very intelligently and partisan free. Kudos Harry.

Every empire from the Romans, to the Mongolians, Japan to Greece, spread themselves too thin and ignored domestic affairs. True true true.

See, there is a middle of the road. I don't think that stance is so much leftist, but more toward the libertarian ideals and the overall intent for the purpose of our country and government as laid out by our forefathers. Strangely enough - both Kerry and Bush seemed to agree with this during the debate.

Oh, and thanks Dewd. Told ya I wasn't a dittohead. :lol:
 
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