Thread: 8.8 Rear Axle Swap
06-09-2008, 08:59 AM #1
8.8 Rear Axle Swap
I have been thinking about buying and installing a Ford 8.8 to replace my rear Dana 35...and I thought I would put a guide here on Jeepz.com when I finished my research. What I found was that there is an awesome post on the JeepsUnlimited forums. Normally I wouldn't link over to another forum, but in this case I think it is warranted. Tim of Dome & Detour put the original post together - which is basically a collection of information just like I was planning to do here. I am going to provide the link and the body of the original post (in case the thread ever gets deleted, at least we will preserve the original post's info), but I recommend going over to the post and reading the replies, following the links, etc as well if you are considering the 8.8 rear swap. At the bottom of the post he even indexed the discussions that followed in the replies to his post to make things easier to find since there are so many replies! I hope it isn't bad form to link to another forum - I just want to help the Jeepz.com members get the best information out there.
8.8 FACTS, OPINIONS & HOW-TO'S (F.A.Q.) - JeepsUnlimited.com Forums
"8.8 FACTS, OPINIONS & HOW-TO'S (F.A.Q.)
Here is a guide for the purchase and build-up of the Ford 8.8 rear axle and its compatability and performance in a Wrangler or Cherokee.
I did a little scrounging around on Jeeps Unlimited and came up with some questions asked and answers given along with some of our experiences. Below there are many links to build-ups and all kinds of info.
If there are things i missed or mistakes please post a correction and i will change it or add more info to the first post.
There are many different variations of the Ford 8.8 axle. One of them is best suited for the use in a Jeep and that would be the Explorer (or Mountaineer) 31 spline 8.8. If you have found one off a Aerostar, Mustang, F-150 etc, you should really pass it up and look for a Explorer axle if you wish to retain a similar track width on your Wrangler. Trying to start your build-up with the wrong axle will be frustrating and expensive although you may have picked it up for cheap in the beginning.
Ford 8.8 assembly specs:
Cover bolt 28-38 ft.lbs.
Pinion bearing preload 16-29 in.lbs.
Pinion bearing preload 8-14 in.lbs (used)
Ring gear backlash .008-.015
Ring gear bolt to case 70-85 ft.lbs
Side bearing caps 70-85 ft.lbs.
Explorer 8.8 Measurements:
Weight (complete assembly w/ brakes etc.): 174 lb.
O.D. of tubes: 3.250".
Tube thickness: .250" (some are .188”!)
Ring gear diameter: 8.800".
Ring gear bolts: 7/16" dia. (qty. 10).
Pinion diameter/splines: 1.625 / 30.
Axle shaft/splines: 1.320 / 31.
Rotor thickness (where it mounts to axle is .250").
Overall width 59.625" (the F8.8 is .950" narrower then a TJ Dana 35).
(The F-150 8.8 is drum brake and width WMS to WMS is 65.5”.)
Hole diameter for ABS sensor in top of housing: .811".
Bolt size (U-joint flange to yoke) is: 12 x 1.75 x 30 mm
Centerline of housing to C/L of pinion difference is 3.875" toward the P/S.
Pinion offset: P/S to C/L of Pinion, 27-3/4" (no rotor on axle), D/S to C/L of Pinion, 31-5/8" (no rotor on axle). (this measurement is 2.5" more offset to the P/S then a TJ Dana 35).
Code Capacity Ratio
43 Open 3200 3.08
41 Open 3200 3.27
42 Open 4.10
46 Open 3.73
45 Open 3200 3.55
D4 Limited Slip 3200 3.73
D2 Limited Slip 4.10
L73 Limited Slip 3.73
L - Limited Slip Differential
C - Conventional Differential
Thanks Chris Overacker for the specs and measurements! see his website link below.
How many splines are the axle shafts?
drivers side is 31 spline for 97 & up Mountaineer, 95 & up Explorer, 30-1/2 inch length - 5 X 4.5 inch lug pattern.
passenger side is 31 spline for 97 & up Mountaineer, 95 & up Explorer, 27-5/8 inch length - 5 X 4.5 inch lug pattern
Can I get 35 spline shafts? Yes, with a little searching I found 28 and 33 splines too. Remeber 8.8 axles are used on many different Ford rigs. Mustangs, Rangers, F150s, Aerostar etc... different axle lengths than the Explorer so if you are looking for aftermarket products make sure you are not looking at something for a Mustang that might not fit an Explorer. For the 35 spline stuff check with Mark Williams site. i dont have a link yet but i will soon.
Do I need a slip yoke eliminator? In my opinion, yes
Can I use my drive shaft that I bought for my SYE/Dana 35 set-up? Yes
Is the 8.8 narrower than a Dana 35? Yes but not enough to make a difference when running most aftermarket wheels.1.5" shorter or so. It doesn't matter unless you try running stock rims w/12.5 or wider tires.
Are the 8.8 shafts stronger than Dana 44 shafts? Yes, also the bearings, pinion and ring gear are also much larger.
Axle shaft Strength and output torque rating by Warn and 4 Wheeler
The axle shaft strength tested by Warn Ind:
F8.8= 6,500 (lb. ft.)
D44= 4,600-5,000 (lb. ft.)
D35C= 4,000-4,300 (lb. ft.)
COT: Continuous output torque rating
MOT: Maximum output torque rating
(Numbers from January edition of Fourwheeler, page 60.)
Dana 35 rear axle COT: 870 MOT: 3480
Dana 44 rear axle COT: 1100 MOT: 4460
Ford 8.8 28spline COT: 1250 MOT: 4600
Ford 8.8 31spline COT: 1360 MOT: 5100
Dana60 semifloat COT: 1500 MOT: 5500]
(thanks joe and Chile99.)
Will I need that brake proportioning valve from a Rubicon? Probably not
Does the 8.8 offer more ground clearance over the Dana 35 and 44? Not under the differential but the bigger axle tubes lift the rig about 5/8 ".
Is there welding involved? Yes, but the new brackets you put on are much stronger than stock Dana’s. Not a good idea to re use your old Dana 35 brackets
Where do I get brackets?
4x4 Group Buy has Rubicon Express for $225+shipping.
Bob Supplee has Tera for $220 shipped.
DC4WD has Tera for $217 shipped. thanks jamie 9/21/05
Carolina Rock Shop (call or email for price quote)
TeraFlex TMI-ABK-TR $250.99
M.O.R.E. Dana 35 brackets (sku:MORE98700)
Rubicon Express RE9969 TJ Axle Bracket Kit Rear
Link to axle bracket placement on Stu Olson's site
The list above should get you headed in the right direction as far as brackets go. Look around and compare prices as the brackets can be found for $200.00 or less shipped sometimes. Keep this in mind when shopping for any item for your build-up,if you do, you will save a bundle.
Can I reuse my Dana 35 brackets? Yes, but it is not recomended. The stock Dana 35 brackets are sort of flimsy compared to the beefy aftermarket versions. Some of the brackets available are in fact for Dana 35 axles to replace the weak ones that come factory. Reusing the D-35 brackets is time consuming even if you have the right tools, not a good idea IMO
Should I weld the axle tubes to the cast housing? I would if it had been salvaged from a wrecked rig. If it is new on a crate (in my opinion) don’t bother.
(picture of joe dillard's axle tube welds below.)
Will my stock sway bar work? Yes, with a minor modification to a passenger side pinion gusset.
Do all 8.8s come with a limited slip? No, read the tag on the housing or remove the cover. 3L73 = 3.73 gears witha "L"imited slip
Where is the gear break for lockers? There is no break. Same locker for 3.73 to 6.14
Do I need a notched cross pin? Yes for 4.56-6.14 to clear ring gear, or notch a gear tooth.
More cross pin info from NovaTJ:
The 3/4 inch cross pin only fits those rears with the 28 spline count period!
Therefore, the 7/8 inch crosspin is what we are concerned with and it fits Explorer, Mountaineer, F150, and Expedition's with the 8.8 ring gear and 31 spline axles. It also come in those special Mustangs that have the 31 spline axles i.e. Cobra, Steeda, and Rousch.
The axles for Jeep conversion we are keen on are the 96 through 2001 Ford Explorer and Mercury Mountaineer with disc brakes and all that fall into this category with or without limited slip have the 7/8 inch cross pin.
What year ford explorers do I look for as a donor for 31 spline and disc brakes? To get rear disc brakes and 31-spline axle, you need to look for a 1995 to 2001 Explorer or Mountaineer. Earlier years use drum brakes and may be 28-spline. Different vehicles may have the wrong bolt pattern, width, spline count, or brakes. A 2-door Sport Explorer may be a donor past the 2001 cut off. Also, Explorer SportTracs with production dates of August 19, 2002 through June 29, 2005 are equipped with 31-spline axles and rear disc brakes and are exactly what was in the previously listed 95-2001 Explorer. Before Aug 19, 2002, the Sport Tracs were equipped with the smaller 28-spline 8.8 axle shafts and used drum brakes. After June 29, 2005, Sport Tracs were produced with an Independent rear as found on 2002 regular Explorers.* Sport-Trac donor info from NovaTJ
What is so great about 8.8? Parts are everywhere, as in axle shafts, covers, brake parts etc..
What's not so great about the 8.8? Weak stock carrier, replace with a carrier type locker like ARB or Detroit (not a lunch box type) this will cure the problem.
Spun axle tubes: Simply weld the tubes into the diff housing before they spin. You are welding to cast steel so now would be the time to ask for a professional's opinion. I have heard of guys tossing the works in a oven before welding, some just go at it cold. Both say their way is right.
Thin stock diff cover: Get some armor.
(my axle was new surplus and had not been in a collision, i know exactly where it has been from mile one and it is not welded. I dont believe my wheeling style will cause me problems, however i do keep a close eye on the plug welds.)
What kind of locker can I get? Thanks Joe
ARB SELECTABLE AIR LOCKER
AUBURN GEAR - ECTED ELECTRIC LOCKER
AUBURN GEAR - HIGH PERFORMANCE LIMITED-SLIP DIFFERENTIAL
AUBURN GEAR - PRO SERIES LIMITED-SLIP DIFFERENTIAL
E-Z LOCKER - FITS IN FACTORY NON-POSI CASE
EATON - ELOCKER SELECTABLE LOCKING DIFFERENTIAL
EATON - POSI LIMITED-SLIP DIFFERENTIAL
FULL SPOOL - 31 SPLINE - STEEL
MINI SPOOL - 31 SPLINE - C-CLIP COMPATIBLE - STEEL
ORIGINAL STYLE POSI - COMPLETE
POWERTRAX - LOCK-RIGHT LOCKER - FITS IN FACTORY NON-POSI CASE
What is the bolt pattern? 5 on 4.5” just like stock TJ/YJ wheels.
Will my Jeep lug nuts fit the 8.8? In most cases, yes.
What do I do with the speed sensor? leave it in place.
Where to buy?
OK Auto, 4wd & Tire
wallysheata, Ariel Performance
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rock equipment home page
to name a few.
How much do they cost? Free to $1500.00 but you can find them new for around $500.00 in their stock form complete disc to disc.
What do I need for a swap into a tj?
Here are some things I used:
-TeraFlex Bracket kit
-U.S. Gears 4.56
-Master install kit (Timken)
-Crane diff cover
-Napa brake line kit P/N 380528 (x2)
-T-hose NAPA P/N 380889
-ZJ E-brake cables (drivers and passenger side)
Mopar P/N 52008904 & 52008905
NAPA P/N 95342 (right) 95347 (left). (not for YJs)
-Driveshaft adapter: Spicer 2-2-1379
-Flange bolts Ford P/N N800594-S100 (x4)
-'03 TJ Rubicon (w/disc) proportioning valve P/N 5083808AA
-3/16" hard brake line about 40" & 18"
HELPFUL SITES be sure to check these out:
Dome & Detour
J.E. Towle / DPG Offroad
Chris Overacker / CODE 4x4
4x4 Wire Links
The Ranger Station Tech Library
The Ranger Station Tech Library 2
YJ & XJ STUFF:
-XJ Installation Kit P/N 98600 84-2001 XJ
-XJ E-Brake Cable Kit P/N EB3 Disc Brake F8.8 Only
-Special Yoke P/N 221379 F8.8 to 1310 U-Joint
-Mopar spring perches
-Tabs for shock mounts
-ZJ ebrake cables from the dealer (for XJ install)
-Flange from spicer dealer $30 (have seen this go from $20-$50)
A BIG THANKS TO ALL THOSE WHO PARTICIPATED IN THIS THREAD!!! (whether they knew it or not)
(HOPE WE GET MORE HERE SOON)
Stock brake cables won't come off bracket at tub. Pound a deep 13mm socket on the cable end to compress the fingers holding it in place.
TIPS FROM NovaTJ:
Add gear oil through the abs sensor hole at the top. With an 19 degree pinion angle, I just pour three quarts in and call it full.
To replace axle seals, use the end of the removed axle shaft to pry the seal out.
Axle shaft bearings...remove the seal first as above, then slide hammer the bearings out.
Parking brake shoes can make rotor removal a pain after rust sets in, I always machine the inside lip of the rotor (drum section) about 3/8 inch from the edge to the edge about .030 deep so rust won't interfere by dragging on the shoes.
Old parking brake shoes can have the lining come loose from the metal part of the shoe...reglue with two part epoxy if new shoes not readily available...(it's only a parking brake). Parking brake shoes from Ford...$115 set! Autozone...about $20!
Joe Dillard's 8.8 Shaft Replacement Thread
Joe Dillard's Super 88 write-up!
Check out T.Dome's SUPER 88 Write-up on Stu's site!
Here is a 8.8 DISC BRAKE HOW-TO from Autozone's website. clicky-clicky...
8.8 PART NUMBERS:
-8.8 rear parking brake star wheel adjuster. Ford p/n F58Z 2041 A @ 22.98 each.
Left and right are same part number. (1/0
-Rear Caliper Bolts p/n N606046-S60 List $4.10 each (9/06)
-Flange bolts P/N N800594-S100 $1.29 (x4) (5/05)
If you have some Ford part numbers you want to ad just pm me.
This may help you find something in our discussions a little easier. It is not as perfect as I imagined but it is what you got. It should be mostly right. this will take you up to page 44
5/8” lift: 11, 12
8.8 difference, v6 vs. v8: 7, 10
ABS: 15, 18, 44
Additives: 29, 30
Armor: 27, 28, 33
Axle shaft lengths: 2, 43
Bent axle shaft: 18-20, 23, 40
Bent output shaft: 19
Bolt patterns: 7
Brackets: 2, 3, 8-10, 12-16, 20-24, 26, 35, 38-40, 42
Brakes: 4, 7, 8, 16-18, 23, 27, 28, 30, 31, 33, 38-42
Caliper and brake r&r: 6
Carrier break: 6, 7, 10, 23
Control arm length: 8
Cross pin: 2, 13, 21, 26-29
Drive shaft: 3, 14, 29, 34, 35
E brake: 14, 21, 27, 29, 31, 34
Flange adapter: 3-5, 8, 12, 17, 23, 24, 32, 33, 35-37, 40, 41
Gas tank clearance: 11, 35-37
Gear lube: 6
Gear pattern: 13
Gear ratios: 7
Helpful hints: 34, 42
Installs / updated installs: 18, 19, 34, 36, 37
Leaking seals: 6
Locker: 19-21, 24, 29, 42, 43
Lug nuts: 6
Part numbers: 7
Pinion angle: 27, 29, 40
Proportioning valve: 14,15,16,33
Shaft upgrades: 7, 9, 19, 20, 24
Shaving: 11, 38, 43, 44
Shock clearance: 7, 25
Speed sensor: 9
Strength comparison: 3, 10, 14, 36
Stock brackets: 9
Stock brake part discussion: 5
Stock carrier: 10
Super 88: 37, 38, 42, 43, 44
Sway bars: 8, 15, 19, 37
SYE: 3, 11, 13
Tag translation: 2, 41
Tire size: 22
Tone ring: 27, 28
Truss: 19, 22, 44
Upside down calipers: 31
U-joint: 21, 25
Welding tubes: 3, 4
Where to purchase? 11
Wheel spacers: 37
Wheel vs. caliper: 4, 34
Why an 8.8? 22
Vent: 17, 26, 30, 36
Vibes: 7, 11
XJ/YJ parts: 5, 21"
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07-06-2008, 08:48 AM #2
Re: 8.8 Rear Axle Swap
Thanks man, that's some good info
07-06-2008, 02:43 PM #3
02-25-2009, 06:29 PM #4
Re: 8.8 Rear Axle Swap
where did you get coil spring and weld on brackets?
02-25-2009, 11:07 PM #5
Re: 8.8 Rear Axle Swap
Good Info..Thanks.Confucious says: Don't eat the snow where the huskies go!
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