Return of the Cherokee

TerryMason

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Looks like Chrysler may be bringing back the Cherokee name when it kills of the Liberty

Chrysler and Fiat CEO Sergio Marchionne said today that Chrysler plans to invest $1.7 billion to build its next generation Jeep SUV at an assembly plant in Toledo and may name the new vehicle the Cherokee.

“This plant has been chosen to build the future Jeep SUV to replace the current Jeep Liberty that will be exported to markets all over the world,” Marchionne said when he spoke at the plant today in Toledo. “Bringing this new architecture to Toledo will allow us to add a second shift of production, which means about 1,100 jobs at this plant.”

Marchionne said Chrysler will spend $500 million at the plant and the remainder will be invested at other Chrysler plants, for supplier tooling and other related development costs.

Chrysler plans to add the jobs by the fall of 2013.

Chrysler’s Toledo North plant, which is part of its Toledo Assembly Complex, opened in 1997 and is the only plant operating on just one shift in North America.

Marchionne’s announcement comes exactly three weeks after Chrysler’s UAW hourly workers narrowly ratified a new four-year labor contract.

As a part of that contract, Chrysler promised it would invest $4.5 billion and create 2,100 new jobs over the next four years.

“We are taking a big step toward fulfilling that promise today,” Marchionne said.

The Auburn Hills automaker was approved by the state of Ohio in August for tax incentives that pave the way the investments.

Ohio Gov. John Kaisch said Chrysler’s announcement will deepen Chrysler’s roots in Toledo and benefit the community.

“This is a big decision by this guy,” Kaisch said. “It is a big investment. This means they are going to stick $1 billion in their operations and a half a billion into Toledo.”

Chrysler began building the Jeep Liberty at the plant in 2001 when it replaced the Jeep Cherokee. The next generation Jeep Liberty will be built off of a widened version of the platform Fiat uses for the Alfa Romeo Giulietta, according to Chrysler’s five-year plan.

Marchionne said Chrysler is thinking about returning to the Cherokee name when it launches the replacement for the Liberty. He also said at least one additional vehicle will be built off of the same platform at Toledo North.

Production of the Doge Nitro, the current sibling to the Liberty, is scheduled to end in December.

That platform for the new Jeep SUV is expected to underpin as many as six future Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep vehicles in the high-volume compact and mid-sized segments.

Chrysler had high hopes for the Liberty when it was introduced in 2001, but it has not lived up to expectations.

The Liberty is “nothing less and nothing more than the future of our company,” Chrysler President Dieter Zetsche said in 2001. Zetsche said he expected Jeep to produce 200,000 annually.

So far this year, Jeep Liberty sales have increased 34.4% to 55,322 in the U.S. Industry sales have increased 10.1%.

The Liberty is outselling small SUVs with off-road capability such as the Nissan Xterra, which sold 14,608 so far this year and the Toyota FJ Cruiser, which has sold 11,452 this year.

Still, the Liberty is easily outsold by other small crossovers and SUVs. Through October, Ford has sold 206,896 Escape SUVs while Chevrolet has sold 162,283 Equinox crossovers.

Analysts expect the new Liberty to lose some of its off-road ruggedness so it can appeal to a wider customer base even though that change could dilute the Jeep brand image.

“Jeep markets its vehicles so that they can go everywhere,” said Aaron Bragman, analyst for IHS Automotive. “I think if they want to keep that credibility, they need to retain that ability for their vehicles.”

But Jim Hall, managing director of 2953 Analytics, said that’s a risk Jeep must take.

“The problem with the Jeep is, in a lot of cases, they have more capability than the customer is ever going to use,” Hall said.

Hall said the company should rely on the Jeep Wrangler to lead the way for off-road capability and introduce a Jeep Liberty with better fuel economy and slightly less off-road capability.

The two-wheel drive version of the 2011 Liberty gets a combined 18 miles per gallon.

“They have to make the cars friendly to people who aren’t going off road, but they still want something that is part of Jeep’s character,” Hall said.

The change also is essential as Chrysler works to turn broaden Jeeps sales globally, Hall said.

“This is more about expanding Jeep's market footprint,” Hall said.

Contact Brent Snavely: 313-222-6512 or bsnavely@freepress.com

From Chrysler to invest $1.7 billion to build next-generation Jeep SUV at Toledo assembly plant | Detroit Free Press | freep.com
 

This isn't overly optimistic for the future of jeep...I meen look at the patriot and compass...they want to make something MORE carlike? I would say goodbye to solid axle(s) on the wrangler with the next revision.
 
I was hoping if they brought out the cherokee again it would share some of the wrangler's drivetrain...ie solid axles front and rear and maybe even a rubicon-esq package with dual 44's and locker options...they'd sell quite a lot given how popular the used cherokee's remain today.
 
so, to recap, scale back the "ruggedness" of the liberty (oh geez), and call it a cherokee?

sounds like the pig/lipstick situation, to me. call it whatever you want, doesn't make it one of the most successful platforms in jeep history.
 

I would say goodbye to solid axle(s) on the wrangler with the next revision.

I dont' know about that. I agree that the Wrangler has gotten more comfortable, but it's also gotten more capable with every revision. Heck you can get electronic swaybar disconnects now.
 
TerryMason said:
I dont' know about that. I agree that the Wrangler has gotten more comfortable, but it's also gotten more capable with every revision. Heck you can get electronic swaybar disconnects now.

I agree, but when there talking about going after a more mainstream customer, I don't see them leaving the wrangler a dual solid axle 4x4 for too much longer. It's incredibly unfortunate but look at what they're potentionaly passing up with the new "cherokee".
 
yup. they have the chance to bring back the suv that saved jeeps butt in the 80s but they are going to make it another patriot? i think jeep is just going to be another rebadged dodge in a couple years and then out of business
 

If you agree with Jim Hall in this article, then Jeep as we currently know (and love) it is in danger of extinction...and yes even the beloved Wrangler.

“The problem with the Jeep is, in a lot of cases, they have more capability than the customer is ever going to use,” Hall said.

This "capability" is why the majority of Jeep owners buy Jeeps...and I would think that it is irrelevant as to how they choose to use them. It is a slippery slope argument to think that with this sort of reasoning the Wrangler will at some point follow suit.

I fully agree with Aaron Bragman:

“Jeep markets its vehicles so that they can go everywhere,” said Aaron Bragman, analyst for IHS Automotive. “I think if they want to keep that credibility, they need to retain that ability for their vehicles.”


Sure Jeep can morph into a mainstream, run-of-the-mill, car-like, everyday, nondescript vehicle like 99% of all other vehicles...but for this Jeep lover...I think it is a tragedy.

Larry
 
yes sir. it will be the demise of a legendary american icon. just like harley being made by mitsubishi, or whoever had them in the 90s and 80s. all these people think they are riding the american motorcycle and don;t realize the connecting rods all said mitsubishi on them. boy was i surprised the first time i opened up one of their engines.


anyways, it will be a tragedy but the companies are in it for the money, not for the historical value.
 
After a little googleing...this is what the new "cherokee" will be based on...

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Sure Jeep can morph into a mainstream, run-of-the-mill, car-like, everyday, nondescript vehicle like 99% of all other vehicles...but for this Jeep lover...I think it is a tragedy.

Larry

Amen to that...it's truly a shame if they do.
 
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yes sir. it will be the demise of a legendary american icon. just like harley being made by mitsubishi, or whoever had them in the 90s and 80s. all these people think they are riding the american motorcycle and don;t realize the connecting rods all said mitsubishi on them. boy was i surprised the first time i opened up one of their engines.


anyways, it will be a tragedy but the companies are in it for the money, not for the historical value.

umm... not to call you out in too big a fashion on this, but... what harley motor did you ever open up and find rods that said mitsubishi on them?
 
It was actually when amc owned harley. There smaller motors that came in their cool guy harley-amc golf carts. I opened those up all the time and they said mitsubishi on every connecting rod. When I commented to some biker buddies who build motors they said yes, harley did that for some years when they were not american owned.
 

But, to add something else, all my freinds who work on harleys now say they no longer say that
 
all these people think they are riding the american motorcycle and don;t realize the connecting rods all said mitsubishi on them. boy was i surprised the first time i opened up one of their engines.

i was under the impression you were saying something about the bike engines themselves, perhaps about "all" of them.

but even still, i don't think the above statement has ever been true, to the extent that connecting rods inside the engines "all (or any) said mitsubishi on them."

but i do get the parallel, that gayness from across the seas has infected even our own most american vehicles. seems odd, that while chrysler goes bigger with hemi engines and still manages to feed the american hunger for excess power and displacement, that jeep feels the need to cater to eurotrash appetites for french cafe salad portions of SUV-lite.

i'm gonna go puke.
 
All the ones I saw and the ones the guys I asked about, but not all the ones those guys saw. They said some of the bikes and I am guessing rare because hardly anyone else knows about it
 

eric m said:
After a little googleing...this is what the new "cherokee" will be based on...

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I live and work near Chrylser headquarters outside Detroit. Been seeing a few of these Alfas running around lately. Not bad looking little cars. Sizewise, they're closer to the Compass from what I've seen. The flipside of this Chrysler-Fiat deal is that purportedly, Maserati (also owned by Fiat) is going to build an SUV based of the current Jeep Grand Cherokee.

As for car-like Jeeps, well, that's what people want to buy right now. I have at least 4 coworkers right now that drive Jeeps. 2 Commanders. 1 Liberty. 1 Patriot. Only Wrangler in the parking lot is mine. SUVs and crossovers are what people want, and Jeep has to keep up with demands so they can keep building the Wrangler, too.
 
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If you agree with Jim Hall in this article, then Jeep as we currently know (and love) it is in danger of extinction...and yes even the beloved Wrangler.

“The problem with the Jeep is, in a lot of cases, they have more capability than the customer is ever going to use,” Hall said.

This "capability" is why the majority of Jeep owners buy Jeeps...and I would think that it is irrelevant as to how they choose to use them. It is a slippery slope argument to think that with this sort of reasoning the Wrangler will at some point follow suit.

I fully agree with Aaron Bragman:

“Jeep markets its vehicles so that they can go everywhere,” said Aaron Bragman, analyst for IHS Automotive. “I think if they want to keep that credibility, they need to retain that ability for their vehicles.”


Sure Jeep can morph into a mainstream, run-of-the-mill, car-like, everyday, nondescript vehicle like 99% of all other vehicles...but for this Jeep lover...I think it is a tragedy.

Larry

+1 also what makes Jeep special and unique is that it is a 99% 4wd off road company and always has been. I can't think of any other product which became synonomous with an everyday mundane description like "trail"...i.e. "Jeep trail".

Jeep is something special.
 
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